Possibly the most capable Huracan in the world ...

[Underground Racing]

At the same time we have a number of ex-UGR customers who have "been there,
done that", and this time around just want to take a more simplistic approach.

(Call it more reliable, versatile, capable, or simply more economical/practical if you wish!)

"Call it more reliable"? The SC is (not) more reliable than our stage 1-3 TT street setups. The (one) customer that was an actual UR customer that put a SC on his Huracan was due to his budget at the time, which is fine. He will tell you, its slow compared to the TT and he will have turbos on it soon enough.

If you do send customers here for a TT, thanks. I have never had a customer say you guys sent them here. Anyone that calls out of the country that wants a bolt on TT system (don't offer mail orders), I tell them to call VF for a SC setup.

What is getting irritating is what you are posting and what I'm told you guys tell people. The main thing you claim is that TT's systems are not reliable, which is false. Our Huracan TT systems are very reliable, the 800-1350 whp setups.

that is all for now. thanks

[UR 55]

Heads up. UR 55 is in Dallas this weekend and would welcome some runs against any VF SC car and to make it fair, I'll tick her down to the lowest setting which is less HP than the VF SC systems.

Instagram: @ur___55

[scott23]

Guys forget everything else

Should I forget about all the TT cars I drove with broke down durring season? how a UR one blew a clutch and another got beat by my stock Huracan cause it was running so shitty? No thanks, at least I know my car will finish the 1/2 mile run

[VF-Engineering]

Guys forget everything else, a Performante with the VF supercharger only went in the 160's in the 1/2 mile. Alexanders STOCK Performante (Anrky wheels owner) ran 157 mph, TOTALLY stock. (These speeds are documented btw) Let that sink in. Is there any other data of what a SC car has run in the 1/2 mile?

Maybe I will develop a SC system for you supercharger lovers, one that will go fast

Now you're just cherry picking arbitrary results (different events,
at different tracks, months apart, with limited knowledge of the
cars or circumstances you're commenting on) just so you can
continue with your smear campaign.



Maybe I underestimated how many potential customers are cross
shopping our systems with yours when they call your office, and
now you're starting to feel the pressure or growing jealous when
you should just stay focused on what you do well.

It's unbecoming for you to be so easily provoked by a web-review,
and honestly you're less welcomed in this thread now that you're
trying to lead the conversation.

What is getting irritating is what you are posting and what I'm told you guys tell people. The main thing you claim is that TT's systems are not reliable, which is false. Our Huracan TT systems are very reliable, the 800-1350 whp setups.

You're welcome to "secret shop" us by phone / e-mail / walk-in
and speak with any one of our staff and see for yourself if we
ever have anything negative to say about any other brand.

That's not our style and there's at least a dozen VF Engineering
customers on this forum alone who would vouch for that, after
having dealt with us directly, and even encouraging us to share
our candid opinions.



I can empathize with your frustrations of being lumped into the
same category of the nearly two-dozen other twin turbo builders
who may be negatively offsetting the grading curve, but that's
not our doing, and nothing we actively perpetuate other than
stating the truth about our own reputation based on proven
results when it comes to long term reliability (spanning nearly
10 years on this particular platform) with some of the most
discerning owners out there.



When we have customers who put on 10,000-20,000 hard miles
a year without a single hiccup they are going to be understandably
excited to share that information. And when they are faster than
99% of the cars they encounter on the road (including multi-million
dollar hypercars) that's also typically good enough for them.

Your cars are no doubt part of that top 1% that will be quicker in a
competitive environment, and no one in this discussion doubts that.

In regards to the reliability, that is something that has to speak for
itself as it's not something anyone can just say out load and hope
it comes true. We're fortunate to have paying customers who are
in the public eye every day driving these cars as hard as conceivably
possible and accumulating miles far greater than anyone else with
absolutely no significant issues to speak of.

that is all for now. thanks

Have a great weekend!

[RedGTS]

Now you're just cherry picking arbitrary results (different events,
at different tracks, months apart, with limited knowledge of the
cars or circumstances you're commenting on) just so you can
continue with your smear campaign.



Maybe I underestimated how many potential customers are cross
shopping our systems with yours when they call your office, and
now you're starting to feel the pressure or growing jealous when
you should just stay focused on what you do well.

It's unbecoming for you to be so easily provoked by a web-review,
and honestly you're less welcomed in this thread now that you're
trying to lead the conversation.

You're welcome to "secret shop" us by phone / e-mail / walk-in
and speak with any one of our staff and see for yourself if we
ever have anything negative to say about any other brand.

That's not our style and there's at least a dozen VF Engineering
customers on this forum alone who would vouch for that, after
having dealt with us directly, and even encouraging us to share
our candid opinions.



I can empathize with your frustrations of being lumped into the
same category of the nearly two-dozen other twin turbo builders
who may be negatively offsetting the grading curve, but that's
not our doing, and nothing we actively perpetuate other than
stating the truth about our own reputation based on proven
results when it comes to long term reliability (spanning nearly
10 years on this particular platform) with some of the most
discerning owners out there.



When we have customers who put on 10,000-20,000 hard miles
a year without a single hiccup they are going to be understandably
excited to share that information. And when they are faster than
99% of the cars they encounter on the road (including multi-million
dollar hypercars) that's also typically good enough for them.

Your cars are no doubt part of that top 1% that will be quicker in a
competitive environment, and no one in this discussion doubts that.

In regards to the reliability, that is something that has to speak for
itself as it's not something anyone can just say out load and hope
it comes true. We're fortunate to have paying customers who are
in the public eye every day driving these cars as hard as conceivably
possible and accumulating miles far greater than anyone else with
absolutely no significant issues to speak of.

Have a great weekend!

What a crock. The only "smear campaign" going on is your continuous drumbeat about how TT cars are for "four digit horsepower" and runway/racing events rather than general use, and that TT cars aren't as reliable as supercharged cars. That isn't true, and while I used to think it was out of ignorance, you no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. The TT cars, and particularly the UR cars, that are posted about the vast majority of the time online are indeed very high HP cars that are often competing at runway events, etc. But those cars are not at all representative of UR cars as a whole, the majority of which are stage 3 or lower and are not accurately described as making "four digit horsepower." The stage 1 and 2 cars might come close to 1,000 hp at the crank, while the stage 3 cars can make about that at the wheels, but they are often driven on lower boost settings. These cars are the bulk of what UR puts out, are extremely reliable, and can be used in any manner in which you could use a supercharged car. They're just faster.

But you aren't content to market your niche, which is a provider of a less powerful, lower cost alternative which can be installed locally and more quickly. Instead you push an illusion for marketing purposes, which rests on a false comparison between your cars and the big-power TT cars, which don't make up 20% of the TT market. And you try to do some of it subtly ("most capable" ), but consistently, even after being told you're pushing a false narrative. That's your "style."

[Underground Racing]

Should I forget about all the TT cars I drove with broke down durring season? how a UR one blew a clutch and another got beat by my stock Huracan cause it was running so shitty? No thanks, at least I know my car will finish the 1/2 mile run

Scott, I cant control how these cars are treated well after they are built, in fact many years after they are built when they are owned by someone other than I built the car for originally. I also cant control what people change on these cars years down the road.

What I can control is how my customers car run, esp the ones that paid me to build the car.

Since you want to throw mud, I will go there with you, (at least your SC car will make it down the 1/2 mile without issue?) What about others with the VF SC? New customer just got a VF supercharger for his Performante and it will not make it down the 1/2 mile without throwing check engine lights. I also hear he is getting no response to get some help on getting rid of the check engine lights. These SC installs don't go so easy do they? I can back that statement up and others that have had issues with the SC setup if need be.

Your car will make it down the 1/2 mile? What did you run? Was it faster than stock?

[Underground Racing]

Should I forget about all the TT cars I drove with broke down durring season? how a UR one blew a clutch and another got beat by my stock Huracan cause it was running so shitty? No thanks, at least I know my car will finish the 1/2 mile run

PS. I get calls from people that have had their Huracans/R8 built at other tuners, and some of them have SC builds. People call me for help a lot of the times because they are not getting customer service or their cars are not getting figured out. I'm well informed of issues from the SC cars. Prob best not to throw mud with me. Thanks.

[scott23]

More power increases the chance of something going wrong and since being the fastest was not something i cared about is why I'm happy just having my car faster than stock and more fun to drive. I can only speak from my experiences but I have had a VF system on 3 cars in a row now and my experience with them has been great. From pre purchase to install and then after they have been very responsive to any questions. And like I said before, no issues and no lights. But yea I think some bugs still being worked out on Performante system, was talking to a friend this weekend about problems on a Performante install. I'm sure it will get straightened out

[Underground Racing]

But yea I think some bugs still being worked out on Performante system, was talking to a friend this weekend about problems on a Performante install. I'm sure it will get straightened out

So why are they still selling them? Kinda messed up, no? Get it right on one car, test it well, make sure ALL the bugs are worked out, THEN sell it, Agree? There is also issues on regular Huracans, not just a Performante SC. Trust me, I'm well informed.

[Underground Racing]

Also, not sure whats different about the Perf VS the Normal Huracan. We had no issues with the TT Performante. The OEM tune file is about the same.