Robby, I have not seen any here in the US below 200k. Still above 210k for the 610's. 580's just a bit less. Not seeing any 17's yet here. Red, you immediately put your spin on my words. I certainly would not choose anyone with such a condescending attitude to 'make a decision' for me. Mind you, I'm not an arrogant person however I typically don't need to explain myself in a venue such as this to individuals such as yourself. I've been on many forums and if you're an ambassador for this one, I may reconsider my affiliation.